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That's all right

Postby colonel snow » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:40 am

The original version was recorded on 06-09-46 by Arthur Crudup (RCA 20-2205). The song was re-released in 1952 by RCA 47-5167.

The song was based originally on the tune of another Arthur Crudup composition titled "I don't know it" as recorded on 22-10-45 (RCA 20-2387); he re-wrote the lyrics to the well known That's all right.


here's the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGqe0RICeFM&feature=youtu.be


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Re: That's all right

Postby John » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:59 am

colonel snow wrote:The original version was recorded on 06-09-46 by Arthur Crudup (RCA 20-2205). The song was re-released in 1952 by RCA 47-5167.

The song was based originally on the tune of another Arthur Crudup composition titled "I don't know it" as recorded on 22-10-45 (RCA 20-2387); he re-wrote the lyrics to the well known That's all right.


here's the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGqe0RICeFM&feature=youtu.be


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Thanks colonel snow. Arthur was so limited in his repertoire. I wonder how many of his songs used the same tune?

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Re: That's all right

Postby colonel snow » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:05 pm

Bits and pieces of his "old" songs made a new song; I've not checked more because it's out of my interest.

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Re: That's all right

Postby Ben » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:23 pm

It's also very similar to My Baby Left Me.

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Re: That's all right

Postby Suspicious Minds » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:54 pm

Thx for the info!

Apparently, some of the lyrics can be traced back to ‘That Black Snake Moan’ by Blind Lemon Jefferson (1926).

From 1.33 – 1.55:

Mama, that’s all right, mama that’s all right for you,
Mama, that’s all right, mama that’s all right for you,
Say baby that’s all right, most any old way you do.

https://youtu.be/h3yd-c91ww8

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Re: That's all right

Postby Suspicious Minds » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:06 pm

From Graceland Auctions:

The display features a 78 RPM record and a 45 RPM record of Arthur Crudup’s “That’s All Right.” The display contains an engraved metal plaque titled “BIG BOY,” with an informative passage that reads in part: “Arthur ‘Big Boy’ Crudup, known as the grandfather of Rock ‘N’ Roll, was the writer and original singer of Elvis Presley’s first recording, ‘That’s All Right.’” Crudup first recorded it in 1946 in the 78 format, and again in 1949 in the much rarer 45 format stamped in orange vinyl.

Crudup.jpeg

http://auction.graceland.com/1940s_copi ... t2787.aspx
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Re: That's all right

Postby Mister Moon » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:42 pm

colonel snow wrote:The original version was recorded on 06-09-46 by Arthur Crudup (RCA 20-2205). The song was re-released in 1952 by RCA 47-5167.


Suspicious Minds wrote:From Graceland Auctions:

The display features a 78 RPM record and a 45 RPM record of Arthur Crudup’s “That’s All Right.” The display contains an engraved metal plaque titled “BIG BOY,” with an informative passage that reads in part: “Arthur ‘Big Boy’ Crudup, known as the grandfather of Rock ‘N’ Roll, was the writer and original singer of Elvis Presley’s first recording, ‘That’s All Right.’” Crudup first recorded it in 1946 in the 78 format, and again in 1949 in the much rarer 45 format stamped in orange vinyl.


Just let me correct a couple of things :

**Crudup recorded the original version of "That's All Right" in 1946 in Chicago. It was first released in 1947 as a 78 rpm record, and again in 1949 as a red vinyl 45 rpm record. Both releases used the 1946 recording. A later studio version, done in New York in 1962, was eventually released as part of an album.

**RCA Victor 47-5167 is indeed a record by Crudup (from 1953, not 1952), but unrelated to "That's All Right". See this link :

http://www.45cat.com/record/475167us


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More info in this two year old thread :

" RCA Victor's 1949 Preview of the World's First 45 rpm Records! "
https://www.theelvisforum-phoenix.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3393



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Finally, here's the original review from "The Billboard" :



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Re: That's all right

Postby Suspicious Minds » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:29 pm

Top corrections and added info! Thank you.
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Re: That's all right

Postby colonel snow » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:04 pm

Thanks Mr Moon for the addition / correction; I got my information from this record. Besides E2 in the matrixnumber is 1952.
(E0 = 1950 / E1 = 1951 / E 2 = 1952 etc). In 1955 RCA matrix numbers start with F and each year got it's own letter from now on.
In 1963 the system of numbering changed again.
An explanation of matrixnumbers can be found on the site of Keith Flynn as far it concerns Elvis.

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Re: That's all right

Postby Suspicious Minds » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:23 pm

colonel snow wrote:Thanks Mr Moon for the addition / correction; I got my information from this record. Besides E2 in the matrixnumber is 1952.
(E0 = 1950 / E1 = 1951 / E 2 = 1952 etc). In 1955 RCA matrix numbers start with F and each year got it's own letter from now on.
In 1963 the systen changed again.
An explanation of matrixnumbers can be found on the site of Keith Flynn as far it concerns Elvis.

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Thank you for the info.

I’m no expert but Discogs lists the record you’ve posted above as an unofficial repro from 2010. See 1st link. It’s apparently from RCA Victor (2), which is not the official label. See 2nd link please.

https://www.discogs.com/Arthur-Big-Boy- ... se/2721603
https://www.discogs.com/label/164644-RCA-Victor-2
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Re: That's all right

Postby colonel snow » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:42 am

Thanks Suspicious minds for the addition; I've found the scan somewhere and I didn't research for other information. I thought it was released by RCA.

This site showed the release as mentioned by Mr Moon for catalogue number(20/47 - 5167) altough recorded on 15 january 1952.
The matrixnumber E2 confirms the year 1952!!

http://www.78discography.com/RCA205000.htm


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Postby Mister Moon » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:53 pm

Colonel - you are making my mind boggle ! :)

First of all, that white label you are showing, as Suspicious Minds has remarked, belongs to a bad, fake repro. This record was never issued originally like that.

Second, the matrix numbers were given at the time of recording. Both songs included on RCA Victor single 20 / 47-5167 were recorded in 1952, but not released until 1953, as I stated earlier.

A couple of pages from "The Billboard" that I hope put an end to this chaos :) :



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Re: That's all right

Postby colonel snow » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:18 pm

Thanks Mr Moon for the extra information + attachements about the record. I was wrong because I believed the fake record was a real record. But with the research by Suspicious minds and you we now know the history of That's all right recorded by Arthur Crudup. Both thanked for the input.



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Re: That's all right

Postby Mister Moon » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:06 pm

There's also a myth going around (perpetuated by Wikipedia, for example) that the 1949 red vinyl reissue carried the "That's All Right, Mama" wording on the label, which is totally false, as can be seen in the image I posted in the thread linked above.

In fact, all of the early versions of the song, from the Crudup original, through Elvis, Marty Robbins, etc. used the same wording - "That's All Right" - no "Mama", no "Alright", etc.

End of rant. :)

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Re: That's all right

Postby colonel snow » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:17 pm

Mister Moon wrote:There's also a myth going around (perpetuated by Wikipedia, for example) that the 1949 red vinyl reissue carried the "That's All Right, Mama" wording on the label, which is totally false, as can be seen in the image I posted in the thread linked above.

In fact, all of the early versions of the song, from the Crudup original, through Elvis, Marty Robbins, etc. used the same wording - "That's All Right" - no "Mama", no "Alright", etc.

End of rant. :)



Indeed (see scan).


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