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Hound dog

Postby colonel snow » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:09 pm

The original version of Hound dog was recorded by Willie Mea "Big Mama" Thornton on 13 august 1952 for the Peacock label.

Johnny Otis was present as drummer and producer; he was credited besides Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller (see wrong name on the label) for the song; by law suit his name was errased.

Elvis' version was inspired by Freddy Bell & the Bellboys (a 1955 recording)


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Re: Hound dog

Postby colonel snow » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:13 pm

Around april 1953 6 versions of Hound dog were released (including Big Mama Thornton version); all versions are simular to that original.

recorded by:
00-02-53 - Jack Turner & his Granger County Gang (RCA 20-5267);
00-03-53 - Billy Starr (Imperial 8186);
00-03-53 - Eddie Hazelwood (Intro 6069);
00-03-53 - Betsy Gay (Intro 6070);
16-03-53 - Tommy Duncan (Intro 6071);
00-04-53 - Cleve Jackson (Herald 6000);

for all the recordings Johnny Otis was mentioned as co-writer on the labels.


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Re: Hound dog

Postby Suspicious Minds » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:24 am

Thank you. I had no idea there were 6 (!) versions in 1953.

Billboard, March 7, 1953, p. 49:

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Billboard, April 25, 1953:

Hound Dog is listed as #1 in Top Rhythm & Blues Records (both National Best Sellers and Most Played by Juke Boxes)

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Another press clipping:

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More on Big Mama Thornton:

https://sundayblues.org/?tag=big-mama-t ... -and-music

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Re: Hound dog

Postby Colin B » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:31 am

I see Willie Mae Thornton's Hound Dog is on the charts along with R Thomas Jr's Bear Cat.

Wasn't there litigation concerning these two songs ?
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Postby Suspicious Minds » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:39 am

Colin B wrote:I see Willie Mae Thornton's Hound Dog is on the charts along with R Thomas Jr's Bear Cat.

Wasn't there litigation concerning these two songs ?


Indeed.

Here’s an article about it (the litigation issue is discussed from the 3rd paragraph onwards)

https://www.americanbluesscene.com/blue ... -bear-cat/
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Re: Hound dog

Postby Colin B » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:56 am

Colin B wrote:I see Willie Mae Thornton's Hound Dog is on the charts along with R Thomas Jr's Bear Cat.

Wasn't there litigation concerning these two songs ?
Suspicious Minds wrote:Indeed.

Here’s an article about it (the litigation issue is discussed from the 3rd paragraph onwards)

https://www.americanbluesscene.com/blue ... -bear-cat/


That's an interesting article, thanks !

I knew Leiber & Stoller wrote Hound Dog but I never realised they were just teenagers at the time !
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Re: Hound dog

Postby Colin B » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:44 pm

Update - 25th July, 2019:


Willie Mae [Big Mama] Thornton died 35 years ago today, aged 57, from a heart attack.


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Re: Hound dog

Postby Suspicious Minds » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:02 am

Thanks for adding that photo.
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Re: Hound dog

Postby DarylR » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:52 am

colonel snow wrote:Around april 1953 6 versions of Hound dog were released (including Big Mama Thornton version); all versions are simular to that original.

recorded by:
00-02-53 - Jack Turner & his Granger County Gang (RCA 20-5267);
00-03-53 - Billy Starr (Imperial 8186);
00-03-53 - Eddie Hazelwood (Intro 6069);
00-03-53 - Betsy Gay (Intro 6070);
16-03-53 - Tommy Duncan (Intro 6071);
00-04-53 - Cleve Jackson (Herald 6000);

for all the recordings Johnny Otis was mentioned as co-writer on the labels.


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colonel snow, may I ask you a question. I've seen you post dates as far as when different artists have recorded certain selections both here and over on FECC. How are you able to determine when some of these were recorded?

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Re: Hound dog

Postby colonel snow » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:56 am

In the past I've found the recording dates in various sources somewhere on internet.

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Re: Hound dog

Postby Mojo Filter » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:11 pm

Elvis was well aware of "Hound Dog" before he was inspired by Freddie Bell's version when he saw the group perform the the song in Las Vegas 1956 because he had the original Mama Thornton 78 in his collection.

It certainly became "his song" and an absolute game changer and became one of his biggest selling records.


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