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This mystery only came to me recently because of a video by the Spa Guy.
I kept looking at his video but it didn't make physical sense, and so I spent some
time looking for early maps so I could find the location of Elvis' home just before
the Presley's moved from Tupelo to Memphis in 1948. The aerial photo I needed
is from 1955, which is perfect because it's long before they put in the 4-lane and
changed a few things.
The problem with the Spa guy's research is that he didn't do any, he admitted he
just took the word/ memory of an 80 year old man that couldn't remember the location because
of how differently things looked. The spa guy's video is about 2 or 3 city blocks north
of 1010 North green street. Also, if you look at the maps I show, the area where Elvis'
home was, it was not changed at all as far as road construction, the main new road construction took place 1 block or 2 north
of where Elvis' home was.
There is a great website that shows you modern maps and allows you to overlap compare
with a map from 1955 or other years.

If you look at the top 3 aerial photo's from 1955 you will see that what is now Fields lane,
was part of the North Green street. If you look at a modern map, Green street diverts off to Old Green street and dead ends,
but it would have picked up again on the other side of the 4 Lane as Fields Lane. That whole section where it diverts and then picks up again at Fields lane is the new part, as can be seen in the stills.
It's difficult to pin point it on the 1955 map, but
one of those 5 homes pictured in the aerial was Elvis' tupelo home. I think one of the 2 lower ones is it.
Possibly the 3rd one from the bottom.
None of those homes remain today, but I show you a street view of the lot that is shown as 1010 North Green street.
That is where Elvis' Tupelo home was when he was 13 years old riding around with his bike, in which photo's of have recently been found.

cadillac-elvis wrote:This mystery only came to me recently because of a video by the Spa Guy.
I kept looking at his video but it didn't make physical sense, and so I spent some
time looking for early maps so I could find the location of Elvis' home just before
the Presley's moved from Tupelo to Memphis in 1948. The aerial photo I needed
is from 1955, which is perfect because it's long before they put in the 4-lane and
changed a few things.
The problem with the Spa guy's research is that he didn't do any, he admitted he
just took the word/ memory of an 80 year old man that couldn't remember the location because
of how differently things looked. The spa guy's video is about 2 or 3 city blocks north
of 1010 North green street. Also, if you look at the maps I show, the area where Elvis'
home was, it was not changed at all as far as road construction, the main new road construction took place 1 block or 2 north
of where Elvis' home was.
There is a great website that shows you modern maps and allows you to overlap compare
with a map from 1955 or other years.

If you look at the top 3 aerial photo's from 1955 you will see that what is now Fields lane,
was part of the North Green street. If you look at a modern map, Green street diverts off to Old Green street and dead ends,
but it would have picked up again on the other side of the 4 Lane as Fields Lane. That whole section where it diverts and then picks up again at Fields lane is the new part, as can be seen in the stills.
It's difficult to pin point it on the 1955 map, but
one of those 5 homes pictured in the aerial was Elvis' tupelo home. I think one of the 2 lower ones is it.
Possibly the 3rd one from the bottom.
None of those homes remain today, but I show you a street view of the lot that is shown as 1010 North Green street.
That is where Elvis' Tupelo home was when he was 13 years old riding around with his bike, in which photo's of have recently been found.

You are correct, Spa Guy is incorrect.
I have camcorder video footage from the early 1990's of what I believe was the Presley home on North Green St. That property has since been demolished.
The Spa Guy, nice enough as he is, doesn't do his own credibility much good these days by believing his own theories (or the words of others) without having any real corroboration.

Thanks Tonys for that.
I only wanted to post this because the spa guy is re-writing history
and I want to set the record straight.
I have only disagreed with the spa guy's video's twice, and
he went bullistic and threatened to block me and told
I was a keyboard warrior while he was at road level and all that.
You would think he could appreciate what I was trying to do.
You should re-check your video for comparison with what it looks like today.
I think the property would be just right of that modern telephone pole I show,
perhaps 2 lots from the telephone pole. It should be the same pole as from the 90's.
I can't really see any poles in the 1955 still. but it maybe just not clear enough.

cadillac-elvis wrote:Thanks Tonys for that.
I only wanted to post this because the spa guy is re-writing history
and I want to set the record straight.
I have only disagreed with the spa guy's video's twice, and
he went bullistic and threatened to block me and told
I was a keyboard warrior while he was at road level and all that.
You would think he could appreciate what I was trying to do.
You should re-check your video for comparison with what it looks like today.
I think the property would be just right of that modern telephone pole I show,
perhaps 2 lots from the telephone pole. It should be the same pole as from the 90's.
I can't really see any poles in the 1955 still. but it maybe just not clear enough.

I'm pretty sure I copied that VHS-C tape to a DVD-R, but I can't find it right now.

'X' marks the spot !


From my vhs c video - 1010 N. Green St in 1992
It was painted pink and black.


And there's the church from 'Cadillacs' Google screen grab at left on my video image.

Evidence that proves the Spa Guy is wrong.

Thanks for that.

cadillac-elvis wrote:Thanks for that.

Just like you, I'm concerned he's re-writing history.
Just like you, I'll make it right again.

Excellent work, fellas. Thank you.

Somebody send the guy a link to this thread.

Mister Moon wrote:Excellent work, fellas. Thank you.

Somebody send the guy a link to this thread.

I don't think he's interested.

I sent him a bunch of stuff, and he basically accused me of being a keyboard warrior on google while
he was right there at the site,(which he wasn't).

And then he later threatened to block me.

In fact after I saw his video, I had a hard time finding where he was at on google street view, because
he was so far off his mark.

The area he states was an area that was disrupted by road construction.
But Elvis' house was 2-3 blocks south of that area, so he was way off.

cadillac-elvis wrote:

Mister Moon wrote:Excellent work, fellas. Thank you.

Somebody send the guy a link to this thread.

I don't think he's interested.

I sent him a bunch of stuff, and he basically accused me of being a keyboard warrior on google while
he was right there at the site,(which he wasn't).

And then he later threatened to block me.

In fact after I saw his video, I had a hard time finding where he was at on google street view, because
he was so far off his mark.

The area he states was an area that was disrupted by road construction.
But Elvis' house was 2-3 blocks south of that area, so he was way off.

That's his, and his followers', loss.

Mister Moon wrote:

cadillac-elvis wrote:

Mister Moon wrote:Excellent work, fellas. Thank you.

Somebody send the guy a link to this thread.

I don't think he's interested.

I sent him a bunch of stuff, and he basically accused me of being a keyboard warrior on google while
he was right there at the site,(which he wasn't).

And then he later threatened to block me.

In fact after I saw his video, I had a hard time finding where he was at on google street view, because
he was so far off his mark.

The area he states was an area that was disrupted by road construction.
But Elvis' house was 2-3 blocks south of that area, so he was way off.

That's his, and his followers', loss.

It's a shame really, he's a nice enough guy, but he just doesn't like others correcting his errors... however politely they mention it.

Well, now it gets interesting.
It seems I'm wrong too !
But notice how I don't mind admitting it ?
The numbers on the street were re-adjusted over the years.
According to communications with Sam Bell ( Elvis' friend at the time ) and Tupelo historian Roy Turner this evening, this 1010 that was near the church, is not the right place.
The Presley 1010 was where the road now forks and their house was on the left side where you now turn to take the fork.
When the Presley's lived there - there was no fork, it was a continues road with a bend.
The fork came later when the bridge was built over Mcullough Blvd.
The new 'X' marks the spot.

Tonys, I can't agree with you there.
The even numbered homes are going to be on the east side of North green st.
All odd numbered homes will be on the West side.
And if you look at any street going north and south, that will be true.
The city would not change that.
1010 is even and has always been even.
Also, since 1010 is before the fork, and the fork was created at the time
of the road construction, there would be no reason to change any number south of the road construction.

Remember some numbers north of the fork, would have to have been changed, but
there was not a reason to change the numbers south of the fork.

That's the same 80 year old sam bell that the spa guy was listening to.

Remember what he says has to make sense, and now by saying this, you have now created a 3rd possibility
that the spa guy didn't come up with.....remember spa guy's information is north of the bridge.
I don't mind debating with you on this til we get it right, since you are easy to debate with.
I am somewhat familiar how cities number thier buildings and such, and there is a logical way they do it.
going north and south, the numbers will coincide with similair numbers to all the parallel streets along the city.
Go to google maps in any city and you find this to be true.
If they reasigned numbers way way off the natural progression, then it would have to coincide with all the parallel streets.
Again, there is a pattern that has to be followed.
for example if a house is numbered 4510 and the nearest cross street is 45th, then you know that they will not re asign numbers
like 4610 because they can't do that until they get past 46th avenue. You see.
They will reasign them but it has to fall within some numerical parameters.

I think Sam Bell got confused because of how much it has changed over the years, and the
2 off shoot roads from North green look very very similair.

That is why I did my comparison of the modern map with 1955 map. RE-check that if you like.
That comparison tells me exactly what they did to the roads and makes it better to understand
what they did and what homes got affected.
The only reason there is no 1010 today is because NOTHING is there....if the home still stood it would still be 1010 because that
part of the road was NOT affected.

The address on the west side of the road, that little building is numbered 1007, and follows the logical pattern.
Please look at it again, and use google street view if you have to..
Go north on green street and note the numbers along the way, at what point do you think they would have changed anything?

Ok, I have added a new graphic. I drew in RED the part of the road where numbers might be reassigned. That is the section of road
which is part of the old road. Note the part I drew in BLACK, that is the newer road including that bridge. Before they did that road construction
there wasn't a road there. Note, both of these areas are north of the 1010 location.
UNless someone can come up with compelling evidence of why they would change any
of those numbers that far south of the construction, then it will not make sense.
You can't say....well they reassigned some numbers so Elvis' house was HERE--->. That just isn't enough evidence that makes sense.

You make VERY valid points, I'm going to delve into this further with Roy Turner.
In particular, yes, the even numbers should/would always be on the East side of the street.
Without local evidence / proof of 'any' number changes I'm back with you.

TonyS wrote:You make VERY valid points, I'm going to delve into this further with Roy Turner.
In particular, yes, the even numbers should/would always be on the East side of the street.
Without local evidence / proof of 'any' number changes I'm back with you.

Cool....who is Roy Turner, I am not familiar or I have forgotten at one time or another. Can't place the name.

fyi, I look at it this way.....without listening to a spa guy, a roy turner, or a sam bell ones attempts to find
the address using modern day markings. Most should be the same as then.
city don't like to change too many numbers if they can help it.

So, if the house didn't sit on the modern day spot, then you have to justify a good reason why?

And sam bell saying they changed the numbers isn't good enough, because you have to know
exactly which houses were changed and be able to justify why they did that.
We know they had to change some numbers on some houses, but proving one of them was Elvis' will take alot of doing, for the reasons
I stated above.
I have a feeling very few houses had their numbers changed, and those are houses north of the fork, on "old green road".

Of course my feeling is Elvis' house was demolished at a different time than the road construction was done.

And really just look how far north spa guy wants us to believe where Elvis' house once sat. Going by that 1955 map, that just seems impossible.
Looking forward to whatever you come up with.