New FTD: Guitar Man – The 67/68 Sessions

[Nolan Truth]

This type of editing by FTD just renders the bootlegs more (permanently) relevant to hardcore fans.
(Wasn't one of the reasons for the FTD label coming in to existence ..... to render bootlegs a less relevant/attractive option?)

An excellent point.

[John]

Ah well, I suspected they were going to do it. I hoped they weren't, but they did.

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[ClausH]

Here is a snippet of Goin' Home - take 5. There are three or four edits here.

If I'm not allowed to post it, a mod can remove it.

[Colin B]

See the poll about censorship of Elvis' recordings & make your views known there !

[RKSNASHVILLE]

ClausH wrote:

Here is a snippet of Goin' Home - take 5. There are three or four edits here.

Thanks for sharing.

I don't have the bootlegs so I've never heard what Elvis is really saying there... although I can imagine.

It does sound strange with Elvis and Jerry Reed cracking up, but why? For what reason? Kind of lost it's context.


It does sound good though - as far as the sound is concerned.



RKS

[rockinrebel]

It's not the language, it's the context. Thankfully, FTD understand that, whilst sadly many fans don't. And you've all got the bootlegs, so if you really must listen to rubbish like The Prisoner's Song, crack on...

If you read carefully through the thread, it's not just the prisoner song that got axed from the session tape.

I'm well aware of that, but my point still stands. The idea that everything that was recorded should be released is ridiculous. The sole purpose of these sessions was to create master takes. Listening to the works in progress can be fascinating, but nothing has been edited out here that's essential to the listening experience, and those that are bemoaning the edits already own the bootlegs...

You had a valid point 30 years ago, but we are now in some cases 60 years after the fact.

Just release the unedited session for the fanatics. There is no point for editing in this era of collecting.

I understand that the nature of collecting is such that the fanatics want everything. I used to snap up all the bootlegs as soon as they came out, and initially I was fascinated by the fly on the wall experience of hearing unedited tapes.

These days, I'm only really interested in buying things that I'm going to play more than once, and FTD's decision to edit here is by no means a deal breaker for me, although I appreciate that it might be for others.

It's also worth noting that the unedited tapes we are comparing to were indeed bootlegs, and it's not feasible, or in some cases ethical for FTD to issue verbatim copies of the session reels.

We are now getting more than we ever dreamed possible when alternate takes started to appear via the Legendary Performer series or the early bootlegs, but let's not forget that Elvis didn't attend these sessions in the knowledge that every note of music and every line of dialogue would be released one day.

Personally, I'm happy to repect that...

[Richard]

We are now getting more than we ever dreamed possible when alternate takes started to appear via the Legendary Performer series or the early bootlegs, but let's not forget that Elvis didn't attend these sessions in the knowledge that every note of music and every line of dialogue would be released one day.

Personally, I'm happy to repect that...

But you didn't respect it when you were buying bootlegs. If anything, you were being even less respectful by buying bootlegs.

If the person concerned is dead and hasn't given their explicit permission, then there's no difference between releasing an outtake where somebody makes an error, and releasing one where they swear.

[John]

It's not the language, it's the context. Thankfully, FTD understand that, whilst sadly many fans don't. And you've all got the bootlegs, so if you really must listen to rubbish like The Prisoner's Song, crack on...

If you read carefully through the thread, it's not just the prisoner song that got axed from the session tape.

I'm well aware of that, but my point still stands. The idea that everything that was recorded should be released is ridiculous. The sole purpose of these sessions was to create master takes. Listening to the works in progress can be fascinating, but nothing has been edited out here that's essential to the listening experience, and those that are bemoaning the edits already own the bootlegs...

You had a valid point 30 years ago, but we are now in some cases 60 years after the fact.

Just release the unedited session for the fanatics. There is no point for editing in this era of collecting.

I understand that the nature of collecting is such that the fanatics want everything. I used to snap up all the bootlegs as soon as they came out, and initially I was fascinated by the fly on the wall experience of hearing unedited tapes.

These days, I'm only really interested in buying things that I'm going to play more than once, and FTD's decision to edit here is by no means a deal breaker for me, although I appreciate that it might be for others.

It's also worth noting that the unedited tapes we are comparing to were indeed bootlegs, and it's not feasible, or in some cases ethical for FTD to issue verbatim copies of the session reels.

We are now getting more than we ever dreamed possible when alternate takes started to appear via the Legendary Performer series or the early bootlegs, but let's not forget that Elvis didn't attend these sessions in the knowledge that every note of music and every line of dialogue would be released one day.

Personally, I'm happy to repect that...

I would be too, if that's what they had done from the beginning, but they haven't. It's hypocrisy. We get some material where he's using profanity, where he fucks and shits all over the place, so to speak, then they decide we're all going to get upset over his behaviour during the Goin' Home recordings.

Bollocks!

[skabillyrebels]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSOesxErpEs

[rockinrebel]

We are now getting more than we ever dreamed possible when alternate takes started to appear via the Legendary Performer series or the early bootlegs, but let's not forget that Elvis didn't attend these sessions in the knowledge that every note of music and every line of dialogue would be released one day.

Personally, I'm happy to repect that...

But you didn't respect it when you were buying bootlegs. If anything, you were being even less respectful by buying bootlegs.

If the person concerned is dead and hasn't given their explicit permission, then there's no difference between releasing an outtake where somebody makes an error, and releasing one where they swear.

With regards to the bootlegs; yes, I knew that they were boots, but I was still at the fanatical stage where I wanted to own anything and everything. At that time, I also thought that RCA would never release this stuff, so I would be lying if I didn't own up to snapping things up whilst the opportunity was there.

We know that Elvis rarely challenged RCA over what was released, but the situation then was entirely different, and whilst history tells us that a number of recordings that he wasn't happy with made it on to albums, the floodgates hadn't opened in terms of session out takes before he passed away.

After that point RCA had a decision to make, and the demand from the fans for new material made the release of out takes inevitable. In fact, the continued demand has brought us to where we are today - with fans being prepared to buy these sets even though (in some cases) they are only getting a few minutes worth of unreleased material.

Whether opening the vaults up was the right decision is subjective. We know Scotty wasn't happy with it for example, but I think the decision over what to censor often comes down to the context. Something that gets overlooked due to the fans desire to own everything.

However, unlike the bootleggers, RCA and later Sony, are the keeper of the keys so to speak in terms of presenting and preserving Elvis' legacy, and that's why I support their decision here.

[rockinrebel]

It's not the language, it's the context. Thankfully, FTD understand that, whilst sadly many fans don't. And you've all got the bootlegs, so if you really must listen to rubbish like The Prisoner's Song, crack on...

If you read carefully through the thread, it's not just the prisoner song that got axed from the session tape.

I'm well aware of that, but my point still stands. The idea that everything that was recorded should be released is ridiculous. The sole purpose of these sessions was to create master takes. Listening to the works in progress can be fascinating, but nothing has been edited out here that's essential to the listening experience, and those that are bemoaning the edits already own the bootlegs...

You had a valid point 30 years ago, but we are now in some cases 60 years after the fact.

Just release the unedited session for the fanatics. There is no point for editing in this era of collecting.

I understand that the nature of collecting is such that the fanatics want everything. I used to snap up all the bootlegs as soon as they came out, and initially I was fascinated by the fly on the wall experience of hearing unedited tapes.

These days, I'm only really interested in buying things that I'm going to play more than once, and FTD's decision to edit here is by no means a deal breaker for me, although I appreciate that it might be for others.

It's also worth noting that the unedited tapes we are comparing to were indeed bootlegs, and it's not feasible, or in some cases ethical for FTD to issue verbatim copies of the session reels.

We are now getting more than we ever dreamed possible when alternate takes started to appear via the Legendary Performer series or the early bootlegs, but let's not forget that Elvis didn't attend these sessions in the knowledge that every note of music and every line of dialogue would be released one day.

Personally, I'm happy to repect that...

I would be too, if that's what they had done from the beginning, but they haven't. It's hypocrisy. We get some material where he's using profanity, where he fucks and shits all over the place, so to speak, then they decide we're all going to get upset over his behaviour during the Goin' Home recordings.

Bollocks!

Again, I think it's the context. I haven't heard the Goin' Home outtakes in a long time, but if I remember correctly Elvis mentions the pills kicking in (or wearing off?) which is clearly something that Sony wouldn't be looking to distribute.

[John]

It's not the language, it's the context. Thankfully, FTD understand that, whilst sadly many fans don't. And you've all got the bootlegs, so if you really must listen to rubbish like The Prisoner's Song, crack on...

If you read carefully through the thread, it's not just the prisoner song that got axed from the session tape.

I'm well aware of that, but my point still stands. The idea that everything that was recorded should be released is ridiculous. The sole purpose of these sessions was to create master takes. Listening to the works in progress can be fascinating, but nothing has been edited out here that's essential to the listening experience, and those that are bemoaning the edits already own the bootlegs...

You had a valid point 30 years ago, but we are now in some cases 60 years after the fact.

Just release the unedited session for the fanatics. There is no point for editing in this era of collecting.

I understand that the nature of collecting is such that the fanatics want everything. I used to snap up all the bootlegs as soon as they came out, and initially I was fascinated by the fly on the wall experience of hearing unedited tapes.

These days, I'm only really interested in buying things that I'm going to play more than once, and FTD's decision to edit here is by no means a deal breaker for me, although I appreciate that it might be for others.

It's also worth noting that the unedited tapes we are comparing to were indeed bootlegs, and it's not feasible, or in some cases ethical for FTD to issue verbatim copies of the session reels.

We are now getting more than we ever dreamed possible when alternate takes started to appear via the Legendary Performer series or the early bootlegs, but let's not forget that Elvis didn't attend these sessions in the knowledge that every note of music and every line of dialogue would be released one day.

Personally, I'm happy to repect that...

I would be too, if that's what they had done from the beginning, but they haven't. It's hypocrisy. We get some material where he's using profanity, where he fucks and shits all over the place, so to speak, then they decide we're all going to get upset over his behaviour during the Goin' Home recordings.

Bollocks!

Again, I think it's the context. I haven't heard the Goin' Home outtakes in a long time, but if I remember correctly Elvis mentions the pills kicking in (or wearing off?) which is clearly something that Sony wouldn't be looking to distribute.

Seriously? Who in the world doesn't know he used these things? Who in the world cares? Just how many people are going to hear these recordings anyway?

[Nolan Truth]

Something to consider.
Maybe FTD are having to work to Sonys rule.
Maybe it is Sony who are insisting on these edits and cuts ?
Dare I say this, but food for thought ?

[John]

Something to consider.
Maybe FTD are having to work to Sonys rule.
Maybe it is Sony who are insisting on these edits and cuts ?
Dare I say this, but food for thought ?

Maybe it is Sony, the argument remains the same.

[Richard]

Something to consider.
Maybe FTD are having to work to Sonys rule.
Maybe it is Sony who are insisting on these edits and cuts ?
Dare I say this, but food for thought ?

Maybe it is Sony, the argument remains the same.

In Ernst's recent interview...

"...There’s a question about any problems with the main label with regards to FTD and he answers that there are none, and with a laugh adds: “We send them a check once a year, and money talks”.

That doesn't sound like Sony are very hands-on when it comes to FTD.