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It is very nice, the Vigil is still running, I think I have that one off my bucket list, now, without the price tag.

Who else has been to the Candlelight Vigil?

Mountain Mist wrote:Who else has been to the Candlelight Vigil?

Only very strange people go to such events.

This thing is not even about Elvis. Most people who go there don't even know anything about him, so i'm told.

It's turned into a thing that's "a happening" an event.

It's all quite embarrassing!

Mojo Filter wrote:

Mountain Mist wrote:Who else has been to the Candlelight Vigil?

Only very strange people go to such events.

This thing is not even about Elvis. Most people who go there don't even know anything about him, so i'm told.

It's turned into a thing that's "a happening" an event.

It's all quite embarrassing!

I enjoyed seeing what the Candlelight Vigil was about, without having to spend thousands of dollars to do so, so I am happy, now.

The Vigil was begun by Elvis' friends who loved him, to pay their respects to his grave.

I would not call people who pay their respects to someone who has passed, anything but loving, caring, thoughtful people.

The atmosphere was very sombre, and nice. I was watching the fans, as Elvis' voice was played over very good speakers, they sung along with him, and knew the words to his music.

It's not something that has ever interested me. Even if I happened to be in Memphis, I wouldn't go to it. I haven't watched it either unless it's been part of a TV programme.

John wrote:It's not something that has ever interested me. Even if I happened to be in Memphis, I wouldn't go to it. I haven't watched it either unless it's been part of a TV programme.

It would be too sad for me, I think, John, as I am a very private person, and to be with a big crowd for something like that, I would feel uncomfortable (however, the fun the ladies have at Elvis week, that would be a different matter ).

Until today, I had not watched any part of the vigil. Nana kindly invited some people to join her to watch the live stream and I am so glad that I did.

There were people from all age groups at the vigil, too, which was interesting.

Rick, did you attend the vigil last year?

I had two people from a local Baptist church knock my door last Sunday & I told them a lack of evidence meant I didn't believe in their god.
Asking them why they 'believed' they explained they'd both had a moment of 'revelation' when god made himself known to them.
I asked why he hadn't revealed himself to me & they said I had to do some serious praying first & then he would !
I pointed out that that was circular & would mean having to 'believe' first in order to get evidence to make me a 'believer'.

They had no answer.

Discuss.

Colin B wrote:I had two people from a local Baptist church knock my door last Sunday & I told them a lack of evidence meant I didn't believe in their god.
Asking them why they 'believed' they explained they'd both had a moment of 'revelation' when god made himself known to them.
I asked why he hadn't revealed himself to me & they said I had to do some serious praying first & then he would !
I pointed out that that was circular & would mean having to 'believe' first in order to get evidence to make me a 'believer'.

They had no answer.

Discuss.

Were they believers before the moment of revelation?

John wrote:Were they believers before the moment of revelation?

One didn't give any details, & I saw later [in some pamphlets they left] that he was the pastor of the church.

The other was a young tearaway who was reading a religious text one day, when it occurred to him that the words fitted exactly his situation.

Then he felt god enter his body & he has been with him ever since.

I asked him how he knew this 'feeling' was god & not just some sort of warm glow that came over him.

He couldn't say.

I pointed out that all he'd had was a 'change-of-heart' !

He'd simply changed his mindset from a non-believer to a believer which needed no supernatural involvement.

He offered no comment & just went quiet.

Colin B wrote:

John wrote:Were they believers before the moment of revelation?

One didn't give any details, & I saw later [in some pamphlets they left] that he was the pastor of the church.

The other was a young tearaway who was reading a religious text one day, when it occurred to him that the words fitted exactly his situation.

Then he felt god enter his body & he has been with him ever since.

I asked him how he knew this 'feeling' was god & not just some sort of warm glow that came over him.

He couldn't say.

I pointed out that all he'd had was a 'change-of-heart' !

He'd simply changed his mindset from a non-believer to a believer which needed no supernatural involvement.

He offered no comment & just went quiet.

I wonder what the pastor's moment of revelation was? I bet they went away saying a prayer for you.

mike edwards wrote:They got you, Colin.
You were probably the first person that had actually engaged them all day.

They'll be back. Give it six months, you'll be out there with them.

They did seem glad to have someone 'engaging' with them, even though I felt that I won on points.

If they come back, I'll invite them in, rather than chatting on the doorstep.

I doubt they'll have a convert.

I had regular visits & chats with some Jehova Witnesses for around 15 years & I ended up a more convinced atheist than when I started !

In the end, they stopped coming...

John wrote:I wonder what the pastor's moment of revelation was?
I bet they went away saying a prayer for you.

He didn't say.

After I challenged the 'supernatural' nature of the first one's story, the pastor kept schtum !

If they said a prayer for me, it was a silent one...

Colin B wrote:Couldn't think where else to post this:

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I thought that applied everywhere...

We do, we do! lol

mike edwards wrote:

Colin B wrote:If they come back, I'll invite them in, rather than chatting on the doorstep.

I doubt they'll have a convert.

I had regular visits & chats with some Jehova Witnesses for around 15 years & I ended up a more convinced atheist than when I started !

In the end, they stopped coming...

Flippin' heck, Colin! Baptists, Jehovah Witnesses. You're obviously searching for something.

Nah, not obvious at all, just an interest in people and what makes them tick.