cadillac-elvis wrote:shanebrown wrote:cadillac-elvis wrote:Shane, a few pieces to the puzzle. Thanks. We are almost there.
The next step would be to find the actual kinescope and then
we could find out what is actually on the footage, what songs? what show? etc.
Of course , that is, if it isn't total slush.
Well, from the Elvis point of view we don't need the Kinescope as he's not on it! There is a photo of the event, though, and that is in the book that Marcel did his research for. We also know that the programme Cowboy John fronted for KCMC was Afternoon Theater, all we don't know for certain is the date, with Marcel putting it at Mid-June. Johnny Cash was performing in Texas on June 9th, and in Shreveport on June 23 and June 30, all three of which put him within striking distance of Texarkana, so to speak. All three of those dates are Saturdays, but the TV show only ran Monday to Friday in the afternoons, so maybe one of the Fridays before those performances? But that's just merely educated guesswork.
So, what you are saying is....this collector, Danny Mayo, was attempting to scam Paul Dowling?
The songs mentioned, and Elvis and roy on some random kenoscope never happened? It was all a lie?
There is footage of 1987 British interview with Roy where he talks of Elvis being in the audience of one of his shows. And yet he says absolutely nothing about them both appearing on TV together - and you don't think that just a little strange?
I don't know Danny Mayo, I don't know Paul Dowling. I can't talk to you about hearsay. I work with evidence, not rumour or gossip or "my friend says he has X." If I had a tenner for every time I have heard a story about a collector who apparently has lost footage of a film, I'd be very rich.
Paul is on FECC this afternoon retelling his story. In that story, he's saying that, when this deal nearly happened,
nobody knew about the fact Roy Orbison had a TV show in the 1950s. Or the fact that it was sponsored by a furniture shop. Straight after, I provided evidence of Orbison talking about the show on UK national TV, and a newspaper article talking of Roy's rise to stardom with not only the TV show but the sponsor also mentioned.
Meanwhile Paul says that Danny was asking $5000 for the footage. A few days later, when the deal was to be done, the price had suddenly shot up outside of Paul's reach. Is that because Danny had got a better offer, or, perhaps, that Danny now realised that he
didn't have what he thought he had, and so putting the price up to that level was a way to save face? He knew Paul wouldn't afford the new price, so his mistake would never be known about. Danny died shortly after, I understand, and in three decades the footage has never come to light, not even a photo or still frame from it. Do I believe Danny? Errrr.
Do I believe that Paul is telling the story in a true and straightforward way from his point of view? Yes, I do, he has no reason not to. Do I think something along the lines of the scenario in my previous paragraph occurred? Yes, I do. But I have no proof of that anymore than Paul has proof of the Kinescopes that have vanished into thin air despite how much such footage would be worth.
I have said before. I don't work with rumours, or "my friend says he has X in his collection" unless there is proof of it. I would be stupid to, and knocked down in a flash if I did.
So far, we have disproven the "facts" regarding the TV shows as presented in numerous books and websites, we have the evidence of the press at the time which tells us the real times and dates of Roy's shows on KMID and KOSA, we have Roy's interviews in which he never ever mentions the TV show with Elvis (but does recount the one with Johnny Cash repeatedly), we have Marcel's evidence which checks out, which has come from his research in co-operation with the Orbison family, and which manages to correct all the mistakes from the previous tellings of the story.
Was Danny scamming Paul? No, because the deal never happened. Did he purposefully put the price up so he could save face? That's not for me to say - but I don't think the price going up well out of reach was a coincidence. But I respect Paul for believing his friend, as we would probably all believe ours. But evidence doesn't lie.